Well I pulled way bigger loads than a lot of my trucke and jeep were " capable" of for years. And I like all in favor thought my trucks were tuff and I was a great driver. Then I got a truck built for pulling. " & rolled a wrangler w/empty car haller although I had pulled that trailer loaded stacked 2 1/2 ft across with fire wood many times with no problem. All I can say is they have yet to learn as I did. And worse not willing to listen so they will learn the hard way. Just my .2