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Duece Windshield ?
Well, after looking at Gimpyrobb's M725 with the Duece Windshield Installation (Very nice install) for what seems like the 100th time I think im gonna try it on my M715. Southern Ca. Desert can get warm and 250 air conditioning isnt bad, but 450 a.c. now were talking (four windows open at 50 mph), seems like it will make life good. It looks like there will be a couple of differences to deal with in the mod, but seems very do-able. The 725 takes to it nicely because the sides are straight, it looks factory. The 715 has the angle to deal with but its windshield is narrower and might just fit without chopping the Duece frame, or at least no to much anyway. I was wondering if you guys with the big trucks might be able to post some good pictures of the stock window setup and give me some dimensions of the outside framework to give me something to start with. I found a parts breakdown on a website with alot of M35 parts and maintenance manuals:
http://www.tpub.com/content/trucks2....09-20P0364.htm
In scrounging around I was able to find this windshield off of an earlier power wagon (i think) but it is too narrow and Id rather have the split windows. The frame has middle stages of cancer but if anybody could use it let me know.
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This brings me to my last order of business, trying to scrounge the right windshield. If any body has a M35 Windshield Assembly that isnt getting to much use please let me know. I am looking for something in good shape, something that I can work with. If not and you have any leads for used salvage yards or parts suppliers that are reasonable I will be greatfull. I have searched a few online but most want legs and arms and everything inbetween for them. For the M715 I have a full set of cab glass, a dashboard w/glovebox, 2 doors, and some other things all without a home if you are interested in trading. All parts in good condition.
If anybody has any ideas or tips or have any pictures of something similar let me know, Thanks guys, Jay
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I have been trying to find out how wide the 900 series truck windshield is. I know they are wider just don’t know how much. I want to do the same to my M725 but the 900 might be a better choice. I saw several around the first of the year I could have gotten. Why he did not post up then with the idea? I would have snagged them…………………
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Windshield Found
After searching every resource I could find I finally found a decent shape / decent price windshield assembly from a M35. A 300 mile trip to Barstow and back, I was home with the windshield. The trip wasnt to bad, I took my KTM and spent half the day riding beautiful CA desert, and half looking through heaps of olive drab parts at Barstow Truck Parts. The guy on the phone swore up and down that they had "tons" of M35 windshield assys, which they did if what I was looking for was a bent up, rusted out, broken glass sort of thing. I drove out on Saturday only to find that all the "good ones" were sold about 2 months ago to a guy that buys heaps of parts and ships them to Austraila and Japan. Lesson learned -talk to the guys that work the yard, not the phone. Not to knock the place to hard, they do get a big turnover in parts which is hard to keep up with and they get a few regulars that know what they are looking for, but I was kicking rocks when I heard that news. The guys that work the yard were a huge help and pointed me in the right direction. After searching the entire yard I found a assy. that was in great shape that the exporter must have missed. Nabbed it for 3 bills which sounds steep, but try pricing them and you would have jumped on it too. Heres a pic of what I ended up with:
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The M35 assy is about 5 inches taller and 10 inches wider than the usable space on the M715 whindshield frame allows, so looks like its time to start hackin'
Sermis, Barstow Truck Parts had quite a few 900 series assy's, laying around. They are over a foot wider than the M35 windshield and have a defroster vent below to deal with or incorporate. Call them to get exact dimensions if you need. The price will be the same as the M35.
http://www.barstowtruckparts.com/home.asp
Just wanted to thank all the guys with the Deuce's for posting up the measurements I was looking for and the pictures really helped :(. Come on guys, wheres the love?
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Sorry Jay, I was helping transport a deuce from Ohio to Tx. If I can answer any questions for you I will. PM for a phone# if you want.
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Well I had a 900 frame yesterday but ran out of time and could not get it. Stuck under a lot of other parts. Both windows were broken and i could see a bend in part of the frame. Did not even have a tape to measure it.
Maybe next time. I am thinking that the 900 is going to be too wide. I have a 900 top and compairing it to the M35 frame and the M725 windshield I think it is about 6" too wide.
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Sermis, these frames will lend to cutting down easily. On my installation, I liked the size because I could reach all the weld areas to sand and paint. The four inches of glass on either side lost is no big deal to me, as when I wheel, I unbolt the doors. I would think you could cut down the frame and glass to fill the whole framed in area.
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I thought the same but not sure I am that Energetic. Maybe once the deuce is done it will be a project. I was impressed bringing Kawi's truck back. Windows rolled up and windshield open approx 3" the inside of the cab stayed cool. I took my shoes off and in sock feet I could keep them on the floor and it was not hot.
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I should be the one to apologize Gimpy. Sorry, didn't mean to bust anybody's biscuits. If I would have read every post in your thread I would have seen that you listed the dimensions :oops:. I spent most of the time looking at the pictures -never was to good with readin' them there words ya know!:) I got the frame stripped down and set it up on the hood like you did in picture #337 to get an idea of what Im up against. Wow, what a difference in size between the M725 and the M715.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/322...stop010ky5.jpg
I did have a question for you about the defroster vents. I can't see to well but it looks like your rig dosn't have the same gap between the dash and windshield frame for air flow as the M715, but I see deflector shields that look like they keep air flowing toward the window. Does the defrost system still work well around the bottom of the duece frame? Are those deflectors factory? Looks like I might have to make some. Thanks for any help and a big THANK YOU for the inspiration to try it, Jay.
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Well the vents are just there to let air through. There is no ducting. There is a heater under the dash (which isn't a jeep item), but it hasn't been hooked up since before I got the truck, so yet again, I can't provide any help. Do you have a pic of the 715's dash so I can see what you mean?
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Also, Are you going to try and put in the side angle to resemble the stock 715 window, or just go with 90s? Gonna try and retain the fold down function?
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Hey Gimpy, been working the long hours. I can't even find time to find daylight to take pictures in :(. Here is a couple of my dash / vents.
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http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8...stop012wc8.jpg
and the shots of yours I was looking at were here on page 5:
http://www.m715zone.com/vb/showthrea...dshield&page=5
There are two strips of metal that are screwed to the top of the dash that come up and make a 45. Looks like they direct air toward the glass but can't tell for sure. I was thinking about making some as the frame will be flush on the outside and will stick in about 2 1/2" which will cover the 715 vent/gap. The deflectors will help the air wrap around the frame then direct it back toward the glass. The other option i've been thinkin' could be a series of "through holes" that let the air pass through the deuce frame. Drill the holes then weld in light tubing and flush them off.
As for the angle I think its going to be gone. I like the square deuce look and the hinge/sidelocks will work well if its square. I dont know how it would work if I tried to keep the angle (meaning Im not that good at engineering:(). Thanks gimpy, Jay.
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Well, its a rough call. I would think it would be TOO much work putting in the tubes, not knowing it would work or not. Since a true defroster uses the moisture removal of the AC, I would think about mabe some ducting or a 24v fan. Got any pics with the windshield folded down? Anyone? If you have access to a deuce cab. Look under and check out the ducts. I was told that ALL deuces have the 90 degree duct welded into the cab. Weather it has a heater or not.
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All 4 of my M35 cabs have the defrost ducting under the windshield. That is 3 Gasser cabs and one 1972 AM General A2C cab.
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progress
Hey fellas, not sure if its stock or not but the ducting is already there along with a heater, etc. I think its from a wagon, but at any rate the defrost flow comes out of two 8" wide vents that are burried down in that gap between the windshield and dash. To keep the most amount of glass I can, the M35 frame will be set flush with the top of that gap which will seal off the flow. I dont see why it wouldnt work (to have air go through the M35 frame) but still thinking about it. Here is a shot of the duct/vent under the dash:
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Got a chance to take the saw to it this morning. Measured twice and made 22 cuts. This will make for 11 weld joints. Cut it up so much to keep the wipers and latches centered. Here is a shot with the stock window set back on top. The pieces are how much of the frame is removed and that pile of rust is what came out of the tubes, doh! :eek: The best thing about hacking it up is that now it will fit into my buddy's sand blast cabinet:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3774/dscn0767qo0.jpg
I found these tucked away on Saturn Surplus's website. They are an upgrade for the M35 wiper arms. Just thought id post em' in case anybody else could use them.
http://saturnsurplus.com/vehicles/sat-51-062c.htm
Talk to you guys later, Jay
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Looks good Jay. So the pieces sitting on the floor is the size it will be welded back together as? I suppose that since you mention Saturn, you know they have the best prices for window seals. Glad to see the progress! Winter sneaking up has put my 725 build on hold. There are/were some things on my big trucks that need attention before the cold gets here.
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Well,l I have been chipping away at this project as time permits and just thought id post some pics of the progress:
Here is what I ended up doing for the defrost ducts. I found some 1" x 3" rec. tubing, diced it up, cut out the frame, and welded in. There will be air flow through the frame on both sides of the latch and it gave some strength to the tubing too. Before I started any of it I taped up the ends of the tubes and put a sand and rock mix in. I shook em' up real good then poured out the loose rust/scale. Internal sandblasting I call it. When its all done there will a hole in which rust converter will be poured in and shaken up to prevent any more. I got the parts over to my buddys house and sandblasted the weld areas.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2153/dscn0790dd7.jpg
The insert strips that the hinges and latches thread into were 1/8" thick and were rusted out. The bolt/screw threads were bad and as I backed them out a couple broke off. The ones that didnt left the threads reamed out. I cut out the old strips and replaced them with a 1/4" strip. Cut new threads and rivited them back in.
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Here are the upper and lower parts of the frame ready to be put back together.
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Here it is going back together. A piece of angle aluminum for a straight edge and my garage floor kept everything square.
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Its all tacked up and ready to weld. When done I took the corner to corner measurements and its right on the money. Thats a first..no problems yet:).
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Ill post some more pics of the fit up on the truck in a sec.
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Wow, really nice fab work there. Welds look good too. Now I'm gettin' into the outcome of this project, keep the photo's rollin'.
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Love it dude! You will be so happy with the outcome once you get it done. Real nice work too.
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Remember that the glass is and has to be laminated safety glass. Basically it's two sheets of glass sandwich together with a plastic film in the middle. If you are going to cut the glass yourself the trick is to score the glass on one side then flip it over and score it in the same spot on the oposite side. Gently crack the scores so that it basically breaks but doesn't come apart because of the safety film. Then get some denatured alcohol and pour it into the cut it doesn't take much then light the alcohol on fire...yep set it aflame....this will heat the plastic film and allow you to finish the cut either by melting it away or till you can move the glass enough to get a razor blade in it and cut the film seperating the cut piece of glass from the other piece.
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Thanks guys, Ill be sure to keep the pics coming through. It will be a while though. Seems like I can only manage about an hour or two a week on it. Maybe during the holidays coming up I can get some work in on it.
Thanks for the tip K8icu. Sounds like it will work really well. Uhhh...a while back I ran into a bit of a snag. The small window frames did not want to come apart easily. I tried to seperate them with the upmost care. I couldnt even get the top cap/hinge assy. away from the frame. I tried soaking them with PB blaster for a week or so but still no budge. After taking a soft hammer to them, it was clear that I was doing more damage to the frames getting them apart than was worth the glass. I took a hammer to the glass:(. Man that stuff is strong with the plastic inbetween. Even the small pieces were stuck in the hardened seals around the edge, so if I was able to get the top cap off, it didnt seem like I would be able to slide the glass out. Once the glass was knocked out I could get a hammer inbetween the frames and I found the reason for my problems. The upper corners of the frames have a two way (90 degree) spring loaded clip that keeps everything square and tight. You can see them in the parts breakdown earlier in the thread. Those things were locked in there with rust like you cant imagine. Just curious, anybody have any tips for a different way of getting them apart. All in all I got them apart, but will need to get glass cut when its done. I dont know much about auto glass. I can ask the shop for the same that came out of it...laminated safety glass? Is it common stuff/expensive? Talk to you guys later, Jay.
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Any good glass shop should have laminated glass. It is used often time for entrance doors to shops and stores and like in Ohio it can be used in entrance doors for houses. It is illegal to install regular glass in doors in Ohio so it has to be laminate, tempered, or plexiglass. Tempered glass is the stuff that when it breaks it shatters into a million small pieces. So, it would not be very good for a windshield because if a rock or something chipped it it might just shadder into millions of little pieces. That is why you use laminate. If you get the size correct (remember glass shops want width and then length) the glass shop should be able to cut it to size for you then all you'll have to do is install it.... :)
I worked for Glass Doctor for about a year a few years ago as a glazer doing both home, business and auto glass so I got know a lot about this stuff... :)
