Here is a link to an already started and well documented thread about this:
https://www.steelsoldiers.com/showth...cle-Regulation
It seems some non elected people have assumed power they weren't granted and no one can stop it.
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Here is a link to an already started and well documented thread about this:
https://www.steelsoldiers.com/showth...cle-Regulation
It seems some non elected people have assumed power they weren't granted and no one can stop it.
Other than a hummer, I don't think they know how to identify a military vehicle.
Guess I'll be keeping my WY plate.
Funny that you should say that. I retained my MD tag on the M715 for an extra year because Florida got a wild hair and wanted me to take it to the west side of Jacksonville for "inspection". So, I just left.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonz
I did research later and there was a lot of talk about Hummers. Seems that at one time, it was easy to get a title and tags on Hummers. Then, people would transfer to other states. Now, Florida considers the Hummer to not be roadworthy or whatever.
When I went back, the first thing that they said was, "is it a Hummer?" No, it isn't and they walked outside to see the VIN tag. I had to show it to them. I didn't tell them that I had made the tag because mine was missing. My truck was originally an M724 and it had an M715 bed installed.
I got regular tags because they said it weighed too much to get antique tags. The max is 5000 pounds and the M715 is 5500 pounds. I was NOT going to lie only to be caught later, years down the road. And there is no limitation on my truck, and it has Nassau County tags which permits me to drive on the beach of Amelia Island without a permit.
I'm sure like most states, the legislature will pass things that make no sense or ways to enforce them. Years ago I was reading this statute on altered suspensions because I had a lifted YJ:
ยง 42-4-233. Alteration of suspension system
(1) No person shall operate a motor vehicle of a type required to be registered under the laws of this state upon a public highway with either the rear or front suspension system altered or changed from the manufacturer's original design except in accordance with specifications permitting such alteration established by the department. Nothing contained in this section shall prevent the installation of manufactured heavy duty equipment to include shock absorbers and overload springs, nor shall anything contained in this section prevent a person from operating a motor vehicle on a public highway with normal wear of the suspension system if normal wear shall not affect the control of the vehicle.
(2) This section shall not apply to motor vehicles designed or modified primarily for off-highway racing purposes, and such motor vehicles may be lawfully towed on the highways of this state.
(3) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class 2 misdemeanor traffic offense.
So they don't want you to lift a truck or lower an impala. The problem was there wasn't anyone to contact and establish or OK the modification. I was at a conference and asked the second in command at DMV and he told me they made that law without notice to DMV or with any money to create or pay someone to regulate the specifications.
Funny enough, this is still on the books.
I have little confidence my license plate bureau will know to enforce the license plates on military vehicles, but we shall see. Hopefully some senator gets denied a license plate, lol!
Idiots...
You have no idea, Don.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Cavey
I "hear ya..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Nailhead
I'm one of the guys going back and forth on the other site about this topic.
It will be way interesting to see how this all shakes out, I first started into the military vehicle world with my M715 after checking out this site extensively before diving in head first. I also have a Gama Goat I have been waiting to register just because I haven't taken the time to do so, wanted to pretty it up first. Now it may be too late.
I'm waiting to see if DOR really recalls my M715 title and changes it to an off road only use or not. Lotsa of M715's on the road with tags not marked up like a military issue.
Grrrrr....politicians and bureaucrats.
I rmember once again...
A) I am VERY happy to be in Indiana, where nobody gives a crap(except maybe about Hummers)
B) To have a dealer license that gives me a blanket pass to run almost anything even if Indiana did care...
Guys, not asking a dumb question here, but a M715 was an off the shelf pickup truck, and Jeep added a burly utility bed.
Are they going to not allow me to register my pickup truck?
I mean this is my go-to-Lowe's truck...my firewood truck...my throw kids in back and get ice cream truck.
Bet you could register as a Gladiator. :)
The problems with mil vehicles....
Factory, no seat belts, no padded dash, brake system is a single line type...there are other things but I don’t remember now....we’ll there is the “wasn’t designed for highway use”. Thing too...
There was a law passed in 1968 that required the padded dash, seat belts, and the safety factor of a dual line brake system...
These and other issues are why states are looking to limit the use of the mil trucks as on road vehicles.
I registered the truck and got plates a couple of months ago. What is the work around here should the law not be recast and loosened up?
1. Register as Gladiator...will they do that since I already registered as a M715?
2. Prove that my truck has seat belts, and meets 1968 standards? Any idea how frankentrucks are inspected for this?
3. Repaint the truck OD green, and letter it up, not my favorite option... I like my red truck.
If 1/2/3 don't work, what else can I do, other than sell my truck?
4. Maybe the best option...Hope that the officer that sees me driving home from Lowe's turns a blind eye. Lots of military folks around town LOVE this truck...
I would just ignore it. Most people will not enforce or even know of that law.
One of the problems that was faced here when they did this initially was they made a blanket statement that military vehicles were never intended to be used as on road vehicles and thus could not be granted a license now to be used as such...not sure if Colorado did quite that or not...if they did, it doesn’t matter what you have done to it, they will just say no way Charlie.
I don't know much about registration laws in other states but...doesn't CO have specialty plates that will allow you to register the M715?
In NV, we have "Antique Truck", "Classic Rod", "Old Timer", etc. different plate designations that allows us to register some vehicles, if they qualify, for those specialty plates. It costs a little more, but some people like it.
If my M715, with the engine that came with it when I bought it, would not have passed smog, I could have registered it as an "Old Timer" which didn't need smog, but only needed to be 40 years old. But by a miracle it passed, and I was able to get veteran plates for it, which I wanted in the first place. Old Timer plates must not drive the vehicle more than 5000 miles in a year.
And, in NV, they use the smog stats from the year of the vehicle, not the type or year of the engine (or anything else) to determine if the vehicle passes smog certification standards.
In NV, seat belts aren't required in vehicles 1967 or older. Of course everyone needs seat belts...IMHO.
It might depend on what's written on your title, how the truck is described if you will. If it doesn't say "Jeep Military Truck", you're probably ok; few of the data entry personnel are going to know the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoSpringsRob