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I'm looking to build some wood sides for the bed .... like this one ..
http://webspace.webring.com/people/x...ool/m715.2.jpg
I will never put any tarp on it ... so the metal bows will not be used. My first question is .... how originally they are made .... which dimensions of wood i need ? How they bolt in place ( if they bolt )
IF anyone have better close up pics of inside the bed .... this will help me building something
Thanks a lot
The wood rails in the photo are not stock. One of our members goes by the name of Binford. He made a pretty good post/thread last year, in which he made the stock wooden side rails. I'm sure that he posted dimensions, or the dimensions were posted by another member for that thread. A search for either Binford's threads or "troop seats" would probably guide you to the appropriate information.
The original oak wood for troop seats are 87 x 3 x 3/4 bolted with carrage head bolts. Total of 12 needed.
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/HPIM1070.jpg
This pic is just before we replaced the wood. Truck is all stock except lift.
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/HPIM0945.jpg
Just after starting back up after seating in storage for 20 years.
Thanks ... a pictures worth a thousands words ... The pillar that goes into the bed are the same for the troup seat , sides and top bows. I was not sure if they were one piece or more bolted together.
Yes i know on the pic it's not the original
Yep you need the Metal Pillars. Sorry I couldn't find a more detailed pic of the pillars. This same topic was talked about just a couple months back with some really good up close pic's. I'm sure someone will post close up pic's. The 6 Pillars are each a little different. The front two can be interchanged from e side to side as long as you keep them to the front with out a problem. The middle two can be changed from side to side as long as they stay in the middle. They use two bolt holes in the upper two boards unlike the end pillars use only one bolt for the upper two boards. The rear pillars can not be changed from side to side. Due to the Strap loops. they face out rearward.
Hope this helps
Cliff
my 2 1/2 ton ones have strap loops front ans rear, is that how all 2 1/2 ton ones were? or did I get two sets of rears?
Couldn't tell you about the 2 1/2 tons for sure. But I don't think they came with strap loops at both front and rear. I've seen many 715's only strap loops on rear.
You can cut down a set of troop seats and side rails off of a Deuce. Just shorten them to fit and cut the fold down legs shorter to fit the M715.
there is a post on this modification, just do a search on troop seats.
Looks like ya already got some good info.
I wanted to add this odd fact to the collection.
The manufactures went cheap on the boards they used what I think was called finger joints some of the boards. Even on the seats. Dang I bet that would pinch ya something awful!
I will replace the original wood on mine one day. I will recess the carriage bolts and try to duplicate all dimensions as close as possible, but no but pinching finger joints.
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/s...lood/003-1.jpg
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/s...lood/002-1.jpg
good luck with your project
Luc,
My truck has the original troop seats in the back. If you feel up to making the trek to Cornwall you can get a close look at mine and take whatever measurements you'd like.
A couple of the boys in Montreal have the wood seats as well so they'd be a little closer still.
Let me know.
Hate to bring the sore subject up of Troop seats again, but do we have a Carriage bolt size needed for attaching the wood onto the metal? someone said you need 12. is that just for the lower seat area? I'm thinking that you need 6 more just for the 2 head rack boards. I've been reading these threads all day so I'm sure I missed it somewhere. Thanks
We never get tired of the same old questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ol Sarge
The carriage bolts are 5/16"-18 and are 1 1/4" long.
8 are need per side, for the top two slats.
I could make a comprehensive hardware list with dimensions (and pictures) for seats, staves, and bows.
If good enough, maybe it could be posted as a "sticky" .
A sticky would be great!
You can go to Lowes and get those carriage bolts. Whilst I have all of my original bolts, it didn't take me long to figure out that new ones were much cheaper than my labour.
Lowes, $14.99 for 100 ea.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-100...e-Bolt/4314987
The M-715's only had the rings in the rear. I picked up an original set of seats not too long ago but it had cedar slats that were the wrong dimension. So I burned them in my campfire.
I picked up a set of 2.5 ton seats that I am robbing the wood from. Soon I will have a set of hardware and even the metal bow corners to sell. First I have a lot of nuts to cut off since 90% are rusted on the carriage bolt. Thus all the carriage bolts spin in the wood!!!:-x