Why would Jeep Do This?

I started to re-assemble the doors after painting. Long time ago, I bought new window sweeps, for the crank-up windows, from VPW as the originals were basically gone. What a surprise when I discovered the inner sweeps are identical for both passenger and driver doors but the outers are different! The only difference in the two outers is that two of the four slots punched in the driver door frame are slightly different for the center two slots. The outer slots and the sweep length are identical! I thought something was wrong with my door but got out the '34P and sure enough, different part numbers for the outer sweeps, same part number for the inners. No rhyme or reason for this I can see. Now I find out that only passenger side outer sweeps are available. You are to drill new slots or modify the sweep to fit! Anyone else ever see this? Not sure I can slot the door now, it's painted and don't want to mess it up, so I guess I must try to move the clips on the sweep!

Yes they are different! Correct outer sweeps are rubber so they wipe the glass as it goes up an down and seals (some) water from going into the door, the correct inner sweeps are the 'cat wiskers' fuzzy type material. Long ago the company (who vpw bought out) had the correct inner and outer ones, however it seems now they only have one or the other but sell tham as the same even though they arent.

Will the inners work on the outside as far as keeping water out?? I don't mind modifying them as long as they seal ok...

I used the fuzzys both inside and out, that's what I found in town. Seems to work OK. Just make sure the drain holes in bottom of door are open. Also, the set I got had no mounting clips, I used 3M emblem adhesive tape to install them. It's a thick double sided tape and holds tight. Been on for 3 years now and used through all four seasons, still tight.

No the fuzzys dont have any sealing ability, you may find some of the rubber type at restoration specialties supply co

The fuzzy stips are just an anti-rattle strip really and won't seal against water coming from outside.

Check with Steele Rubber Products:

www.steelerubber.com

They do mostly GM restoration stuff, but they have a lot of good online lookup and can genereally supply something very close to the original you need.

I have two sets of inners and outers, just need to modify one outer to fit the driver door slots. I need to bend up the tabs on the clips and remove them, drill small holes at the proper clip location and insert the clips in the new holes. I just hope the clip tabs don't break off when bending them. If they do, I'll use some kind of adhesive for the center as the outer slots line up. It still begs the question of why they decided to put two of the slots in different locations on the driver's door. If the inners are the same door to door, why not the outers? Probably some misread requirement in the original contract!!

That may have something to do w/ the civ. application? The parts tm does list the outers as left an right, inners as same.

I do believe the civilian sweeps are the same as ours. Check with Bj's offroad, he is a member here and I believe he had some.

Put the new inners and outers in. Should they be shortened to the glass width only? The new ones are stiff and do not allow the window to fully retract. In other words, the top of the glass frame sticks out above the door sill because the outer rubber hits the top of the glass frame and prevents retraction. Looks like they are worthless in preventing water entry, just rattle prevention.

Not sure about the width, but I can say I have never seen a set of door/window wipers that ever truly sealed against the glass very well. Just be sure to keep the door drain holes clear in the bottom.

I have a 69 waggie, a 70 waggie, a, 69 M715 and a new set of BJ's door wipes in the shop. I will check tomorrow when I get a minute. I believe it's a slam dunk. I will make sure before I say for sure.

I went to Bj's site, and he sells aftermarket and OEM, are the aftermarket inferior? they are half the price, if the civvy ones are the same as the m715, I will buy a set, just dont want to buy the less expensive ones, than the oem ones.

Duane

BJ's products will work fine. Both sides. There might be a tiny little cut needed down at the end where the glass transitions to the metal frame. The wipe extends 1/2 past glass and lays on the metal frame. A simple relief cut and it would be perfect.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/IMG_1661.jpg

how much shorter is the BJ's one compared to the original? when the window is up, does it seal all the way acroos to keep the water out? I see that it is a little shorter in the pic, and was trying to figure out if it will still seal all the way?

Duane

Thats the chrome bead sticking back further. I saw it was shorter. I can take another picture tomorrow to try and answer your question with a little better detail.

great thanks

Duane

OK here is the long and the short of it...:D

They fit the waggie great.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/IMG_1679.jpg

The m715 has a longer one like stated earlier. Note: I did not snap the new one in place. I wanted it back.:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/IMG_1675.jpg

The front end.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/IMG_1674.jpg

Outside on the seat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/IMG_1677.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/IMG_1678.jpg

I am sizing up Mikes weatherstrip. I think I can restore it. The clips are good. Clean up the bead with some 24087 and I believe I can locate rubber for it. I will be looking into it. If it is possible to do a sanitary long lasting resto you guys better try to save your old stuff. As long as the clips are good and it is not kinked, save it.

It's almost warm enough to put some more paint on that green machine out there. summers coming.

Always clear your door drains. The doors even on the waggies leak inside with the better seals. Clean and coat the insides of all the door lowers with a sealing paint..
It will last longer and do what it is supposed to. The M715 doors will always leak. Look at the construction. The best approach is good seals but what really matters is the inside coating on the door. Makes for a great weekend project.

I have been able to remove the worn out rubber from an original weatherstrip. If I can find the right replacement it just might be restorable. I need longer days.

as I put in the other topic on this, I bought the outer set from memphis and they are exactly like the stock ones, same length, same clip location. so for 12.00 a piece, I would jump on them, I bought 2 sets just to have a spare.

Duane

I just got a set from Memphis today in the mail. Still $11.50 each 4 years later, and they were willing to ship USPS to AK!

http://www.memphisequipment.com/M715...-Cab-and-Body/

They are exactly like the originals, chrome strip and all. They are side-specific. I haven't installed them yet (I did just brush 6" of snow off the truck to have a look at the doors!), but they seem like a good fit.

But. The chrome bead at the top just sits against the inside edge of the door sheetmetal, with no seal. I'll probably use them, and run a tiny bead of silicone. I really like the way the BJs seals shown above overlap the body, shedding water OUTSIDE the door! They also look much beefier- these oem ones are a tiny little rubber lip, almost like a windshield wiper. I guess you can choose whether you want leaks at either end, or all along. :/

I think I'll call BJs and see if they can get them an inch longer, maybe even trim-to-fit...



For the next guy reading this in 2018:

Stock m715 outer wipes measure 21 3/8".
Stock Wagoneer outer wipes measure 20 1/8".
I just went out and measured both.



Here are the places I found selling wipes:

http://www.teamgrandwagoneer.com/com...oor-1968-1988/
$43 for inner and outer, 2-door J truck.

http://www.bjsoffroad.com/prod-1349.htm
$13 each rubber/felt, J-truck/Wagoneer, China aftermarket

http://www.bjsoffroad.com/prod-1347.htm
$50 each rubber/felt, J-truck/Wagoneer, OEM Jeep

http://www.memphisequipment.com/M715...-Cab-and-Body/
$11.50 each rubber wipe, M715

Wow...thats great info...thank you for posting all of it!!

Hi had the same problem with me windows a few months ago, i had a glass guy Glue
sweeps from another type of vehicle and it came out nice. good luck cronin11

BJs just got back to me- no dice. They can't get them longer. I think I'll still order a set.

how well do the interior wipes fit from the civilian truck on ours? I have M715 ones from memphis for the outside and after 5 years or so they are cracked, gonna put my spares on and order another set for spares, but would like to change the inners, didnt see any pics on the inside ones or how they fit.

Thanks

Duane